AnonymousJuly 12, 2018 at 7:55 PM
Appreciate your prompt retort Buster, but you're stretching this one. You could've been even 60/40 & Mr/Mrs Anomynous wouldnt have commented.
You believe accusers who are a convicted felon & a jilted OSU merchandiser with axes to grind? That's not equally credible compared to the many more people who have vouched for Jordan.
We agree not to like Jordan's politics. He stands on his bully pulpit & spews troubling shit, but too many others should be the ones in focus. At least 13 sport's athletes besides wrestling have claimed Strauss 'played' with them. Have you heard of other coaches or administrators being identified? No you havent, only Jordan. You admit the attack is simply politically motivated. He's the big target on the carnival balloon dart board simply because he is a national figure. That's not right. If there's fish to be fried he's might be the tastiest, but likely there're others who are bigger, more involved, in any net of non-reporting. Just because he's on a national political stage shouldn't condemn him as you've done.
Come on Strauss, your identified target, has been dead 12 or 13 years. What're they going to do to him, send his ashes to prison? These guys, mentioned above, want money from OSU, and Jordan shouldn't be the scapegoat for this neferious character.
I 'think'(because I don't know & neither do you) that Jordan didn't know abuse definately occured.
You've overly politically bashed on this one. Jordan offers lots of stuff to pick on. Pick on something more reliable, at least until the dust settles. Then, IF he's culpable, you can roast him on a BBQ spit as he would deserve.
ReplyDeleteYou believe accusers who are a convicted felon & a jilted OSU merchandiser with axes to grind? That's not equally credible compared to the many more people who have vouched for Jordan.
We agree not to like Jordan's politics. He stands on his bully pulpit & spews troubling shit, but too many others should be the ones in focus. At least 13 sport's athletes besides wrestling have claimed Strauss 'played' with them. Have you heard of other coaches or administrators being identified? No you havent, only Jordan. You admit the attack is simply politically motivated. He's the big target on the carnival balloon dart board simply because he is a national figure. That's not right. If there's fish to be fried he's might be the tastiest, but likely there're others who are bigger, more involved, in any net of non-reporting. Just because he's on a national political stage shouldn't condemn him as you've done.
Come on Strauss, your identified target, has been dead 12 or 13 years. What're they going to do to him, send his ashes to prison? These guys, mentioned above, want money from OSU, and Jordan shouldn't be the scapegoat for this neferious character.
I 'think'(because I don't know & neither do you) that Jordan didn't know abuse definately occured.
You've overly politically bashed on this one. Jordan offers lots of stuff to pick on. Pick on something more reliable, at least until the dust settles. Then, IF he's culpable, you can roast him on a BBQ spit as he would deserve.
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Yes, I'm politically biased. Not overly. Just about right, IMHO!
We agree Jordan's a douchebag deluxe. If this white-hot spotlight takes him down a peg or makes him quit, I'm all for it. Politics can be nasty business, it's tough shit and all is fair. Jordan is not immune just because you think it's "not right", i.e. unfair. Little Jimmy's gonna have to buck up.
That some people have vouched for him -- "He's a good guy." -- is not the issue. Jordan was asked if he knew about Dr. Strauss's sexual abuses, and he flatly denied all knowledge of it. The issue is this: Is Jordan's denial the truth or a lie?
We're now up to 8 former wrestlers who say Jordan definitely knew of Strauss's misdeeds. They say they spoke to him about it definitely and directly. They're definitely not all criminals or sports merchandisers with axes to grind. They seem credible to me. Why would they lie about this?
You suggest it's to get money from OSU. Well, yeah. But it's not about merchandising rights now. These guys are asking for compensation for themselves and for others for sexual assault endured at the hands of Dr. Strauss. The first accusers may not get everything they want, when they want it, but eventually they'll get something, because OSU will sooner or later be paying a lot of money to a lot of people to settle this thing.
To their credit, the university (my alma mater) has been investigating this matter since April, and their probe continues. They know what Richard Strauss did, and they know that other coaches and administrators knew about it for a long time. Ultimately, some will admit their knowledge and others, like Jordan, will deny it. Jordan is not the scapegoat for all the sins of the long-dead doctor. He's just the very public face of the cover-up.
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For now, I'm done. You may have the last word if you wish. I promise I'll post it. (I've given the the last word to the lovely Mrs. Gammons for over 30 years, a habit which has made me the broke-down piece of man I am today! JK!)
Thanks for allowing one more shot. As an anonymous reader and commentator, I always enjoy your wit and usually even your just about right opinion!
ReplyDeleteYou admit Jordan is the one singled out here because he's the public face of a cover-up. That's just not fair or right. As one former athlete told the Lantern, "Strauss’ behavior in the men’s locker room was particularly unusual and disturbing, the athlete said. He said Strauss was known for walking around the room naked, and that he also would read the newspaper naked nearby the drinking fountain. He would “linger and stare at your crotch,” the athlete said." So, Buster, it's likely Strauss' weird behavior had been going on since the mid-70's when he came there, which is 10 years before Jordan got there! No one did anything about it. If there was a cover-up it was way over Jordan's head (as many things are). As that former athlete told the Lantern,"Someone had to make that decision [to let Strauss continue conducting physicals],” the athlete said. “Let’s say he’s a great doctor, fine. He doesn’t have to do the physicals, because it’s like someone was pretty much feeding us to him." Throwing the lambs to the wolf wouldn't an assistant coach's job. That's someone from the athletic department's medical staff that would assign team doctors. It's unfair and not right to make Jordan the face of any cover-up.
Seems everybody in Larkins Hall knew Strauss was creepily different, even Jordan. Did Jordan know specifically he was 'playing' with the guys' genitals for his personal pleasure while giving physicals, we don't know, but I don't think so. If he knew, why wouldn't he report it? It would've been no skin from his nose. Further, you and I don't know specifically why these people would make such accusations about Jordan. Maybe they don't like Jordan's politics or maybe we can follow the money as payouts occur. It makes perfect sense that accusing a national political figure could bring greater attention to their case. DiSabato had previously asked Ohio State to settle this case with pay outs, but to no avail. Needed to do something to gain attention. You can continue to believe Jordan's accusers. I'll take Jordan's accusers with a grain of salt, and stick with head coach Russ Hellickson, the one who finally put an end to Strauss' presence around the wrestling team and Jordan's boss, the other five coaches and numerous athletes that vouch for Jordan.